Review: the site is a complete scam

Here is the big problem, I have with the site. Who is real and who is fake. I do believe some are really, yes. Do I feel most are fake and just making money, yes. So, the big question is how to determine the real from the fake.

CharmDate: Company Definition

Charmdate Review is a premium international online dating site connecting single Russian and Ukrainian brides seeking serious relationships with men from around the world.

At CharmDate, the women database is packed with a variety of verified and active profiles which are always up-to-date.

CharmDate Experience: many duplicate letters

I found communicated with a few women to try and figure this out. I did not chat, I let the letters come in to me first.. after just over a month on the site, there were over 500 letters in my box. This is enough to make your head spin around. I took the first 300 and went through pictures first. There were many duplicate letters from the same ladys. These were all the same, word for word no differences at all. I would take these as fake or a scam individuals. I did find a few from the same person and the letters were completely different.

After weeding though the letters, I then went through and picked out 4 lady’s to watch the times they are online. I looked over the profiles to see what these people do for work.. something a little strange was seen. These women were online till very early in the morning Ukraine time and I mean late.. 4am to 5am in the morning. Looks like someone had lied on the profile haha.. go figure.

So many lies

A quick background on me. I am and internet security/forensic specialist. Easier way of saying, you can run but cannot hide. I will find you.

Continuing on – I took 2 lady’s of different ages, one close to my age (49) and another one who is listed as 24. I sent letters to each of them and waited for a replies. After a few letters with each lady and various question for each, I found some truths, but also some lies as well. Both did send personal pictures of themselves outside of the charm photo’s and I do know what they look like in real life ahead of time, because I did look them up. The younger one was caught in a few lies and I did call her on these. Her profile said she works are a programmer.. bad place to go with me haha. I know she is in school and what school. She came clean about this one quickly.

Another lie was over their Easter weekend. She told me she spent it with her family, because it was a special holiday there for them.. I asked her how she liked London. She told me that she was there 2 months before. I sent her a time and date stamped photo from London of her Easter weekend and of how far back she had been in London. But she keeps coming back with excuse after excuse. Them, she sent a letter addressed to me, but in the middle she had a line with another guys name listed haha. I called her on that one as well.

But, again she came back and told me that other guys do write the girls letters but she meant this letter for me.. hmm thinking a good game player here making good money. She had explained to me that most guys treat the girls like whores, by sending dirty pictures to them and so on. Well, kind of sounds like they are whoring without spreading the legs.. does it not?

Another way to find the fakes

The young one wanted to chat with me on camera to show me she is real and “True and honest”. The went out the door with all the lies. The older lady wants to video chat and we will see about that. One other thing I did was in chat, we sent voice messages over. The older lady’s was very clear, the younger one had peoples voices in the background. I asked about this and the next time there was no other sound but her voice.

The other thing, I found was the information provided as to where these lady’s live.. They were living in a place other than what was listed, but this was no real big deal. This is for the lady’s protection and I get this.

Another way to find the fakes, look at the number of letters you get daily. The younger lady would send about 5 letters a day. Now, figure this out money wise. If the lady is receiving 75 cents per every letter sent and 75 for all returns and she is doing this will 20 guys. Not a bad day making money. Chat, video chat, Lady call is another way they make money as well.

Conclusion: Compete fake

So, it the site a compete fake/scam.. maybe. Are the owners waving cash in front of the lady’s faces? I would have to say yes to this as well. The owners of the company are exploiting/whoring these women for money in place where the economy is weak. I will not judge these woman for wanting to make money… there are enough suckers out here with more money than brains it appears. I tried to fall for it, but with my background the internet is not a good place to play. I read the reviews before going to the site, but I to look for myself.

Be smart and if you are horny, so get a hooker. Will will spend less money and at least get something in return..

Just my thoughts.

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59 thoughts on “ Review: the site is a complete scam”

  1. Little update on my last review…
    Real from Fake and the search continues. Having hope I continued.. maybe I like the challenge or I just like thrill of it all. I left out one girl from the original review, because she would just write one time a week. Just simple a letter, how her day was, stories about her pet kitty, her work and so on.

    I did look her up like the others, checked and check and everything she said was true. Where she worked everything checked out true to what she was saying. So, I continued to send her letters, just one a week like she was doing with me.

    She would always ask me to look at her on video, so I finally did. Well, it was her and no one around but her pet kitty. She opened up about her life and I mean everything, mother, sister, father, step father, grandparents and it goes on. I know every part of her life, ex-boyfriends, why she looking for someone outside of the Ukraine, everything.

    I know more about this girl in a few months, than I knew about my ex-wife in 10 years. She opens video anytime I ask, I see her and her kitty and she has even shown me her apartment. Nothing lud, no dirty talk just normal conversations.

    Thing that got me really was when her mother and step father came to visit her.. she turned on the video to introduce me to her mother. Her mother asked me questions and I answered.. before anyone says that was not her mother.. yes it was her. I know what her family members look like, so I know it was really her mother. Was an interesting conversation.. wow the questions she asked me haha.

    This past weekend, she went to visit her mother in Kherson. She told me when her bus was leaving Kiev, I checked leave time and arrival time. She spoke with me from her phone during the trip and when she arrived. She sent me a picture, date stamped with her, the mother and grandmother together, pictures of the meals and what they were eating, how she missed her cat, left with a friend to watch while she was gone. She even gave me the time she was leaving Kherson headed back to Kiev.

    Things went the same way back to Kiev, she told me when she would be home and what time she wanted to chat.. 6am her time, she even turned on video for me to see her.

    She understands the site and has told me all about how it works. She has not one time asked me to call her, send or give her anything, the conversations are day to day events in her life and she asked about mine as well. She does not flood pictures at me, letters, she does not talk in circles she has given nothing but facts and trust me, I have looked. Am I shocked after what I have seen from the site, yes completely, she seem very normal and down to earth.

    I told her about wanting to come there to visit. Told her my plan, I have let her plan the trip for me. I will take the chance just to meet her. She has chosen the dates, she has even told me not to use the agency to book my hotel, or to let them book my travel from the airport. I looked up hotels and gave her the list, she picked one close to her. Checked out the hotel myself, after she told me to look it up online. She has picked out the places to go, how we will get around. She has kept everything within walking distances.

    To conclude this update. So scam or fake, this is the real questions?? Are there scammers here, yes. Are there some real women wanting something better, different hiding among these scammer, yes. Most men, do not have the abilities to do the background checking I did.. be careful, watch the signs, the language in letters and chat and yourself.

    Good luck to anyone looking for one of these beautiful women. They are amazing women, so look for normal looking not the barbie dolls.

    1. Hello Bryan,
      I gave a lady my skype adress, but she says it’s ***** in my letter.
      Is there a way to give her my skype name or mail address? Or is she fooling me? She sounds serious.

      1. Hi same to me i sent to my lady my mail and she sent to me ,its ,,,,,,,,,, the agency charme date will control all ,i think they organise a day with ure lady after change t’en lettres and must keep in contact for 90 days least for more confience

  2. Hey Bud, how could I takes steps to check out a few women I talk to on the charm date site? Do you or someone you know provide these services? Thanks!

  3. I met a woman online and she won’t give me her last name. And will not go on Facebook so I don’t have to pay. She has sent pict from site and normal pictures. Should I cut it off?

  4. This site is a total scam. I went to the Ukraine, at the cost of $20000 to see four ladies I was interested in. When I arrived they were conveniently not available althought they knew for more than three months that I was coming . Lastly, while in Ukraine I requested their local office address, they had none, and ignored my request. I think this is a computer generated site, and none of the ladies ever care about meeting. All they care about is their commission. One lady I wanted to meet told me that she was a doctor in a local hospital. I spoke to administrators in each hospital …with her picture…and all three hospitals did not know her. Do NOT waste your time or money going there, you will be disappointed.

  5. Many scammers on charmdate, this lady is fake. Anyuta from Kherson with this profile.. , she also sit here but from different country with the name Anna , she used to be on find-bride and anastasiadate but they deleted her fake profiles.. charmdate offer to delete my profile and yet i can give them her real address, email and phone number and many social media pages saying she live in Alushta Crimea Russia. I have written this girl in email, the real girl and she say charmdate use her info to scam men of Money, but not even show charmdate that email was enough and i got a mail back asking me to sign a paper so they could delete my profile 🙂
    use find-bride if you wish to find a nice girl, and do not complaine about fake girls if you never traveled to meet them, most are real and very nice.

  6. I agree, I have been talking to one lady for over 15 months and as I have children I wanted to be very clear and fair. I asked her to marry me and come live in New Zealand . I asked for permission to ask her father for her hand in marriage but the conversation is going round and round in circles and when I asked for the next step….. Nothing. Has anybody had luck with this site? I’m a simple man with children and a mid range lifestyle.

  7. Yes most of these women are on multiple sites and when you do go to date them the will rape your wallet for as much as she can I don’t mind buying a lady dinner or paying for the date but some want you to buy them gift expensive stuff to aand their groceries pay their doctors bill any thing they can they will

  8. I do not know why I keep insisting! I think is why I want to believe that there is at least one woman and that would not be an emotional prostitute! I know that there are few real profiles there, but these few real ladies that rely us, They are paid to make us to spend our money on that website!
    Do you want an example of this king of ladies? Ask for Olya profile C983055 and She will still asks for gifts, food and money!

  9. I totally agree with the review and comments. Since I started looking at various dating sites last October 2015 I have seen mostly scams of different schemes. However, there are many tools available to remove any doubt as to whether or not a prospective virtual mate is legit.
    Many encounters with various online dates have fraudulent and some want to chat and email and use messenger apps ( Skype, hangouts, Yahoo, Whatsap, etc.) Any one of these can be traced to their origin. Google trace that IP address from an app call or from the head of the original email and then copy the remote IP address from the cmd window or the results of the email head scan into the location of IP in the free online page ‘’
    which will render the text description and a Google map of that person’s REAL location.
    It takes a little effort, but it’s all out there if you are inclined to spend a little time to save a lot of money.

  10. I forgot to mention that I have saved every correspondence a image of every encounter on every site, email, message, and Skype conversation. And most of the blogs like this one.
    I have so much material and stories that I have decided to write a digital book titled: “Love Letters to a Virtual Bride” a romantic comedy.

  11. Daniel Pearson

    All dating sites are scam. If in the U.S, stay within 5 years young to say 15 years older. this includes all dating sites for world wide and here also. It better to to bar and find a female there. No I am not looking a woman as I do trust any of them at all.

  12. patrick murray

    my intention was to contact bryan and ask for some of his expertise in trying to ascertain the legitimacy of a girl on charm date. i have been in contact with her for a couple of months. she often side stepped questions, or probably just ignored them. talking very lovey and appeared quite interested. i was scrolling down these responses, looking for bryans email, and much to my surprise, i started reading a response from carlos-eduardo. his example, as he puts it, the king of these ladies olya (C804515) happens to be the girl in question. i couldn’t believe it. so far it has cost me several hundred dollars. no questions asking for gifts, food or money yet.. carlos can you help me better understand this girl. more information the better! bryan if you see this can you run a little check on this girl. before i spend any more money. it would be greatly appreciated. patrick @[email protected]

    1. Patrick

      I am getting love letters from this Olga 804515 who seems to be the exact girl you and Carlos have been scanned by. Will you send me any information you have on this women so I can confront her with facts. Will the site administers care at all if this woman is shown to be dishonest? This really pisses me off, please help in any way you can.

      Thank You, Duane

      PS. Has Brian helped you in any way by investigating this 804515 woman? 

    2. Hey Pat
      My name is Duane and I have been involved with this Olga for 5 months and have always been suspicious of her, still am. She writes great love letters but rarely answers questions, what have you found out about her. [email protected]

  13. Hi i am a very stupid person called Jeff, i have just been scammed by a lady on Charmdate called Svetlana c437447, she was truly convincing , it started 6 months ago we started to send each other letter, after 3 months i paid for her contact detail to get away from the dating site and save some costs, i would call her several times a week because she spoke quite good English, we made plans for her to travel.
    She never asked for money and said she would pay for her travel, until she realised how much it cost and because of low earnings there it would take half a year to save up, not wishing to wait this time i offered her some money which she declined, she would only accept a loan to be paid back.
    She should have arrived a few weeks ago, after i sent the money she was very slow with communication, because we emailed each other i no longer needed the dating site, but decided to look one night, there she was new pictures and online.
    How many men she was talking to i shall never know, i asked her questions while she was online but i did not get any answers, i guess she had been found out. There was no longer any communication, so i guess she won, not only stole my heart but also my money.
    Strange what we do for love, so i suggest you stay away from this “lady?”

    1. you aren’t supposed to send money to these people that was your own fault don’t send money to people you never met

  14. I tried this site out and what I found out that it cost me $6.50 to open each letter this gal sends me on EMF on charmdate. Cost $2.00 to open any video she sends and it is only good for three days and then one has to pay another $2.00 after three days to watch it again. Hard for me to believe that there is that many beautiful women on a dating site that can’t find the men they want or need in there own country. In total it cost me $52.00 for 16 credits to open these letters from her. I am done with this site. Thank you

  15. It is a real rip-off dating Website .
    I paid $100 which was enough to subscribe for a year , but it didn’t last me more than 6 minutes .
    After the 6 minutes , it cut me off and was unable to send or read a message .
    It should be called the Rip-off dating Website .

  16. I must agree with Bryan that there is a great deal of scam and fraud involved with CharmDate. I have been on for several years and note how the girls and the agency will lie and scam. Keep in mind that CharmDate is owned and operated by the CHINESE!!!! That, by itself, should tell you to be VERY wary. These Chinese are, by birth and definition, scam artists, hackers, liars and thieves. One of the biggest scams they pull is when you buy credits and then use those credits to chat. One credit is supposed to buy you 10 minutes of chat. Frequently, the system will cut you off well before you have chatted for 10 minutes. You write a letter to the Chinese bastards and they give you canned replies. The best is when they write back and say, “you must be confused about how our system operate” or how credits are charged!!! Most of everything they say to you is part of the list of “canned” responses. The other thing to notice is how many fakes and whores are on this site. Of course the agency says these girls are well screened…WHAT A LIE!!! They take any whore or slut so long as the girls will generate more income (again, read Bryan above). How many times that the initial chat request involves them wanting your to taste their “…”, or suck your “….”, or ask you how big you are, or whether you want to to them and their mother, etc. Many, many prostitutes. Keep in mind that the most malicious virus creators are from Russia and Ukraine. That alone should send you running to another site. Add on top the Chinese element, then you have a witches brew of the most vile nature. I would say that you have, at best, a 10% chance of establishing a long lasting, meaningful contact/relationship with any woman (aka lesbian, whore, slut) on this date. Really, the name should be “HarmDate”, not CharmDate. So, beware!!!

    1. Jim, well done.
      You are spot on in terms of sassing out the owners o the site. I occasionally use the site to verify the girl’s real motives. Every tome i buy credits for half of it churn out by the site. Every time I ask the site to compensate me..

      And, every time they send me the same ‘promotional’ letter. As they are too thick skinned bastards, I tell them save your breath… and I add nothing less than 4 credit refund will satisfy me.

      And Eventually I get the refund.

      This is site is a total an utterly scam place.

      with kind regards,

      ps: we can be joint forces ‘in ambushing’ the girls in order to learn their true motives. my email address: [email protected]

  17. If you were scam by this guys you can make at complain at the FBI in the internet crime complaint, if they receive many complains about this site, they would shut it down this page and put in jail this guys from Hong Kong.
    Here is the link to make a complain in the FBI, internet crime complaint.

  18. yep. Count me in as Mr. Stupid. What a crock. I don’t even want to tell anyone how much money I have spent on this site. The problem is that my best friend met and married his wife from one of these sites and she is from Ukraine and she is awesome! So I thought if he could do it so could I. However, I have encountered EXACTLY the same as you all have. Women writing very short letters, constant chat invites, and women claiming that they love you and want to be with you but never commit. So I kept trying because my best friend found his awesome wife through one of these sites. I even located a couple of women through social networks like Facebook and I sent my contact information to those sites. When I inquired the women if they got my information I was told that they were not their real Facebook/VK pages, that they were fake. I was only asked for money one time. I reported that to the site and she was expelled. However I have written hundreds of letters to women that all wanted to be with me but none would commit. It is still difficult for me to believe the people would do this to someone’s heart. This site is stupid expensive. Don’t fall for any of their lies.

  19. I am from india .i want to join and send msg but .i am unable to pay i have use 3 debit card but i dont knw haow to pay for credit tell me something

    1. stop, stop, stop, You cannot use a credit card and try to chat these scam women. Dont do it. If you cannot send message it means you have not paid for the chats. But DON’T PAY. You are deceived. They will not talk to you in an honest manner.

  20. How do you get to get their email address or give them your phone number or email address? They seem to block it from getting to the woman. So how are you suppose to meet up with them if you don’t have their true email address or phone number??? Please tell me how I can talk to her about coming over to the Ukraine and living with her??? Please explain how I get her phone number and email address.

  21. I haven’t fallen for any cost but I corresponded with a beautiful woman on victoriabride with some free chats and voila there she was on charmdate too. She never asked anything personal from me but answered most questions from me. What a pity, I really liked what I saw. Her name is Nataliya aged 55 from Kharkiv Ukraine

  22. Do you want to know the whole truth from the inside? How does this really work? Do you want to save your thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars? To save yourself from total disappointment and time spent?
    Write to:
    [email protected]
    The choice is yours!

  23. I’ve had two ladies emails and on site many I wrote to up till I had 10 letters written to them
    Oh yeah three after getting there emails i wrote them but not them one always sent me poetry back and the other never once wrote me like you would someone else and the last just stopped writing all together and all was at the cha site
    Is there any sites worth going to to find a woman to marry or are they all fake
    Shit an all I had to do is go on match or e harmony

  24. So are the websites at the bottom of this page real or fake like this one and if real could you send me the link for them to my email account or others that are real if you would
    Thank you

  25. Hello there,
    I am interested in your final judgement, is this a Yes legitimate dating site and ladies or is it Not? I heard that you can eventually ‘purchase’ the ladies email address, Yes, No?


  26. I have received email address from ladies. They know how to do it. Yes they get paid to chat. About 6 cents a minute. No the chat invitations are canned. When you respond the lady is notified. The letters are fake. Ladies are usually real but are paid. Some pics are models and the person chatting could be a man. Yes they will lie. If you visit you will be hustled in many ways. Safer to travel with a site preplanned visit. You may not get lucky unless you pay. Women show up on many sites. At the same time!

  27. charmdate: it is a site beyond belief. Charmdate, never mind the girls, the site itself is a crook.

    If anyone wants to pair up with me, we can quickly explore the girls intentions.

  28. Hi,

    I have been on charmdate for some time now (about 8 months, i think i spent around 300€) and mostly talked to a single woman mostly because i still cant say for certain she is a fake.

    I went into this knowing it was likely a scam, i mostly wanted to disctract myself after a breakup. now 8 months in here are a few things i have learned.

    – Chat messages that you get constantly are all automatic, even a girl you talk with regularly will at times spew out a copy paste usually sexual message. I have asked the woman i’m in contact about it, and she recognized it and said she had no idea that her agency used her profile like that. even after talking about it and showing it to her, it continued for some time. *** if you answer one of these automatic messages, your 5 minute per credit count starts right there and then!! If you start a conversation withou any prior messages it only start counting when/if she answers *** I have seen some women trying to abuse the system alot in the chat be very careful! for example reply to your first message instantly with a quick hi (to start counter) and then take forever for all subsequent answers.

    – Women cannot contact you directly. They can’t sent the first mail, and i suspect the admirer mail is also automatic. Same with chat, they cant write you before you write them. If you read a mail ( and pay ) they are then allowed to send another.

    – If you use a free chat voucher to chat with a woman, she will always send an emf mail right away. (cant use bonus points for first free mail duh)

    – If you got any problems even a little contact their custommer service and complain say you lost credits or something. they often refund for some extra credits …

    I havnt really tried the call and cam services at all due to prices, i did try my hands with a few of the vouchers for the cam, but never really worked out. SO no comments on those things.

    As for my situation, i have talked to a woman there for 8 months or so and as far as i can tell she could be legit, but there are so many red flags and suspicions that i just dont know! At this point we are mostly communicating over e-mail (outside the site) and in a private chatroom that we quickly setup. I rarely hear from her, and usually only in short sessions (less than 1 hour)
    some of the things that makes me think she is legit are:

    – ask for photo with recent newspaper and my name written on it and her face clearly shown, which she sent very early on
    – ask for collection of photos with different silly poses and in certain type of clothes (which she did!)
    – what she says is generally consistent.
    – I checked the IP adress on the mail and it is exactly where she claims to be from
    – Despite still being a billion times more available on charmdate than outside charmdate, we still mostly communicate outside charmdate now.
    – She was very co-operative when it came to getting her contact details, making sure she only had 1 (as it costs 10 credits per detail) and updating it. (she did give me mail instead of phone i asked for but oh well.)
    – She was also generally cooperative with mails, i asked she only sent the 1 free photo and not bother with paid ones which she did. however she did send duplicate photos regularly.
    – While i did find dozens of social media profiles her (all fake) many of the photos she sent me i couldnt find anywhere else!
    – She has mentioned the agency she uses for the dating site is very controlling and there are things she cant say or do because of her contract with her. not at all sure on the details. But she said she regretted ever going on the dating sites because of this.
    – She was aware of certain information i found on her from photos outside the site. Like having bungee jumped for example.
    – Still havnt found her on other sites.

    Why i doubt her:

    – I’ve never had real direct contact with her, (call, cam etc) She keeps saying she will get a phone she can use to talk with me, but cant with her current work phone.
    – She’s available everyday on charmdate after 8pm til midnight, almost consistently, almost always answers in minutes.
    – She’s very hard to get a hold off outside of charmdate, she mails once a week to a month, and she really only every comes in the chatroom we setup when i get on charmdate and pay .5 credits to ask to come -.-
    – She avoids any progress in the relationship (since i bought the contact details) She says shes nervous about giving information out and stuff, always has an excuse. Before i bought the details she was all for giving her phone numer out and talking with me asap. nothing since.
    – She’s a model and that seems rather suspicious in itself on charmdate. (she says she did a few gigs while being a make up artist for some time … which seems consistent as there are very few proffesionnal shoots of her and they are old …)

    So i am pretty torn between some giant red flags and some pretty convincing (green flags?). I probably hope deep down that she is real and sincere, but i somehow don’t think so. She seems like an amazing woman, very smart, very interesting life, funny and of course gorgeous (as they mostly are on charmdate) So would be cool if this turns out to be true. But i intend to keep it running until i have a definite answer which i hope shouldnt be too long … but i have hoped that for ages now.

    My suspicion is that i’m talking to the woman on the photos sure. But she has no real interest in being with me. I wonder how things will play out now that gradually we are phasing out charmdate. She said she had no idea about any money making for women through the site, and was generally unaware how the site worked. But i think she is making money off of charmdate, every convo and mail, and shes just been playing along as long as she could. I hate to have such suspicions and i try hard to dispel those without insulting her either. She didnt like i asked for the first 2 rounds of photos, so gotta be creative for third try :S

    If anyone wants to ask questions about my experiences on charmdate so far or anything feel free to contact me at marc.sublett(at)

    So yeah, i’m great at making walls!

  29. I communicated with this woman for over a year and spent tens of thousands of dollars. I flew to Kiev and hosted many nice dinners only to find out it was not her I was talking to but a translator. Her name is Elena Golova C641429. Is she still scamming people?

    1. If you want to find the woman that are real, use Use the birthday, name, city, and birth year to find the real woman in the pictures. There are possible to contact them in vk. Vk is like facebook. Normaly they are fake and the info in CD is not 100% correct.


  30. Questions-Olga
    I have been communicating with a girl from Ukraine for 5 months and I have been suspicious from the first month. She writes beautiful love letters but rarely answers a reply to direct questions I ask. The letters instead sound like a generic love letter that could be sent to hundreds of guys over and over. How can I find out if this is so and if she is just stringing me along? Is she getting paid for each letter I write and/or read of hers? She sends an overabundant amount of letters to me and I still have 22 unopened letters from her to read. I already spend at least $100.00 a month to try and keep up with her letters and have asked her to slow down. They keep coming! I do not understand the Ukraine women’s culture point of view so maybe I am just paranoid? Based upon her personality in her letters and her photo, I do like her but am I being used? Is she really sincere? How might I know how many other guys she is corresponding with at the same time? I check her profile page from time to time and she is quite vigilant about keeping online and available for chat or to receive letters from anyone. I must know if I am just wasting my time and money or what. Does CharmDate even care? Oh, Can I find out if she has had complaints filed against her? That would be very valuable information!

  31. Most women here are scammers. This one is. Goes by Tania 522928 Lawyer/paralegal 25 Starts out with she is bi. Is that ok? Sent a letter stating she wanted a great relationship and sexxxx experiments. A clue. You can find many of these Charmdate women on this site. Her’s is, t. You can also just do Put a ladies first name in. click search. when the list come up click “all”. Then on the right you can add her DOB, Country, City, This will narrow it down. Most of them have 5,000 to 10,000 followers. I told her I found her FB page. She said she only writes people on this site. Meaning she makes money. There was one from Krasnoyar, Russia. She has over 4,500 followers and had 109 gifts sent to her. An absolute beauty. Says if she is writing to you it means she in not interested in Russian men. Not all are on this but the scammer seem to be.

  32. Most guys who read these comments probably think, “Jeez, if there is even a question, why are you anywhere near There are so many dating sites to choose from!” I haven’t seen this very adequately addressed, so… the answer is: the number of DROP DEAD gorgeous girls on the site is phenomenal. I’m not talking about the cute girl-next-door type, but truly drop dead hottest-chick-you’ve-ever-seen types… many of them, in their full get-up photos, are not *as* hot as Victoria Secret models, they are hotter. If you can believe that. Not only that, but many of them have like 1950’s domestic values! Very family-oriented, very feminine, belief in traditional male/female roles, … I mean, we’re talking serious dream chicks… and not just a few of them, but 100’s of them. Seriously, on any given page of thumbnails from a search, 10-20% of the chicks are off-the-charts hot, 30-50% are good looking or better. So all that to say that my strategy… I mean at this point it’s practically a *mission* — is to find that rare sincere one! I finally figured out a leverage strategy, and though so far I’ve only used it on the hottest girls there (so my faith in their sincerity, sad to say, is very low… and this has played out). What I do is explain that I am no longer willing to pay through the nose to get their contact info, even though I know I’m breaking the rules. (Btw, already been there, done that — wrote 10 letters, paid buku credits for a hot girl’s outside email address… after a couple of weeks of emailing me she made an excuse that she could not do email from her laptop, but had to go to Net cafes, and that was a burden, and went back to only writing me letters on charmdate! I was like, WTF?? Obviously, she can take those letters and do you-know-what with them; I never read them; she was my learning curve… and I use that story to tell girls that I already paid my dues (and have that idiot Qpid Seal to prove it, haha). Anyway, what my proposal does is expose everything at once. I have had a variety of responses, but even the ones who are open to finding me on social media or outside email DO NOT ever do it. They just continue to bombard me with charmdate letters that I don’t read, because I make it clear to them that I will NOT pay for anything else, so if they *really* want to “get to know” me, they will have to follow my instructions and find me in the real world. If a girl seems genuinely interested, I am willing to pay for one or two letters (btw, if you’re cheap like me, and only buy 3 credits at a time, it’s $21 US; that means each letter I send and each letter I read costs $7…. that, my friends, is ridiculous). My biggest challenge at this point is getting my contact info to them. Either the site’s string recognition software is very, very good at detecting stuff, or I think “risky” customers (like me) may have their letters read and censored by an actual person! I’ve concocted some sophisticated ways to send contact info, so I’m pretty sure the site’s software is not stopping it (though the lady could be lying about what actually got through) – I’m still trying to figure this part out. A person in this thread mentioned youtube comments as a possible contact info rendezvous, and I’m going to try it, heheh (thanks, Carlos-Eduardo). Surprisingly, however, the site does not detect “GM” for gmail, “Insta” for instagram, nor “FB” for facebook… at least in chat. And in the ladies’ letters. When I use them I think they are censored in letters, but that makes me think maybe a person reads mine. I’m pretty stealthy, but there’s no beating a human filter. Ok, so if you are disciplined, you can continue this “weeding out” process, and usually just use points and vouchers to make your initial pitch (esp. if the girl reached out to you first, in chat – then at least you may have the advantage of her good faith toward your pitch). Sometimes you’ll get clues from the way they operate or things they say, and you can instantly cut them off. Like I had one girl *say* she understood the contact info I just gave her in chat, but *still* would not switch to that contact (after saying she would once she knew my info)… it’s like, okayyyy… see ya. Once you find out a woman is trying to make money, you can just view her as an evil pawn; don’t let your emotions get involved, just drop her like a rock. I even include condemning language in my pitch, saying how I have discovered that many women are trying to make money for the site, and that is very unethical – stringing men along, manipulating them to pay through the nose in return for lies (or something like that)… and also share that it is impossible for me to know who I can trust without using this technique (which is truth… and if they ask, “then why are you here?” I tell them what I told you guys above… about the girls there). I had one rip into me with anger in a return letter, haha, even though I was very loving in the rest of my language in the letter. Sounds like someone’s conscience got a little tweaked. Most of the women who continue trying to write me in charmdate will pretty much say anything — any excuse to keep me reading those letters. So this strategy just cuts to the chase – the proof is in the pudding… either you made contact with me in the real world, or you didn’t. No matter what they’re saying, they’re almost all smart enough to figure out how to find you on the outside. Heck, they have your actual first and last name (and other search criteria) if you’ve gotten the seal. You may think, man what a waste of time… But buddy, once you have interacted with one of the sexiest-looking girls you’ve ever seen, yet who also seems to have a heart of gold and wonderful values (and intelligence — you can tell from some of their letters), … it will be worth it… if it ever actually happens, haha! All it takes is ONE. ONE supermodel-looking chick (or even just “normal” girl-next-door hot chick) who is actually sincere and really does want to “build a family” and is truly loyal and all the other good stuff they proclaim… who actually follows through outside the site… you can’t put a price on that. But since the risk is so high, and the odds of striking gold are pretty low, just frickin’ don’t pay. Don’t pay that f*ckin’ bullsh*t of a site. Use their freebies (and nickle/dime credit purchases) to conduct your own search. It’s amazing how many girls also have a concern for “not breaking the rules” or they buy into the site’s (overly hardcore) “concern” for their safety… it sometimes sounds like they’re brain-washed. But they grasp at *anything* to use as an excuse for why they can’t actually connect with me by personal email and let us truly get to know each other, like normal people. I’m pretty sure they feign not being able to understand stuff I’ve sent them, too. It’s mostly all just smoke and mirrors. But when there are THAT many of them… there has got to be a few who are genuine about finding a mate (and even an older man, like they all proclaim they want)… I have faith… if I don’t go bankrupt first, haha! Thanks for reading, this explanation/rant was kind of therapeutic for me. 🙂

  33. UGGG, I had thought that this CharmDate is a scam, and after spending thousands here, I came looking for the truth since I feel that something is wrong….and, wow…after reading this pages…it makes me feel stupid….and taken….for a long ride….. this people should be accuse formally. of fraud

  34. Been out for five years have not met one person talk to a lot of them spent over $50,000 and I’ll talk to you as long as you’re willing to pay you but to try and get a regular email or somehow you can talk to him through WhatsApp. Only good excuses why they can’t and some of them are definitely more fraudulent than others try and make you feel guilty if you don’t talk to him enough. They think American men are nothing but a walking ATM machine.

  35. You do an image search of the ladies and find the are models and actresses some even married with different names. Some even come up as known scammers and these are ladies that have been verified by the charm family site. They don’t really talk to you but say nothing while sucking your credits. Any positive feedback from this site would have to be from the site owners themselves bull$#*! you. But it is obvious really what 30-year-old model wants to be with a 60-year-old. I even did an 85-year-old profile and got the same $#*! lines. You want to feel good about what a male behind the screen says to you while pretending to be a female go ahead.

  36. This site is 100% a scam. These girls get paid to lie to men and get them to purchase credits. Do not fall for their lies. They will only milk you dry and leave you broke. This site should be banned from the internet. Total 100% FRAUD!

  37. May I offer different point of view on this? I have been on this site for several years now. I didn’t yet find a woman who is suitable, but that’s more my fault than theirs. Yes, the site will block any attempts to send email addresses or FB contacts, but then if it was your site, wouldn’t you do the same? Of course its main aim is to make money!

    Allow me to explain a little more about the women on this site. I have spent many years travelling and working in Russia and Ukraine and I have met many women during this time. First of all, remember that Ukraine is a divided country. Half of it has been stolen by Russia, not just Crimea.

    Many of the women who live in Eastern Ukraine (where the Russians are), have moved to the west to avoid the war – yes that’s right the war – which is still taking place there. Just because it’s not reported on CNN doesn’t mean it’s not happening! This will account for them not living where they say they do. Many do not want to admit to being from Eastern Ukraine.

    I have met women in Ukraine (not from this site), who told me such stories face to face. Secondly, Eastern European women have a different attitude to life from those in the west. They do not make friends so easily, whether face-to-face or over the internet. Many are on CharmDate and other sites because they have met western men and understand that they treat women differently, In Russia and Ukraine, many of the men are drunkards and /or lazy and treat the women like slaves. Others are philanderers who will go with any women they can find. I know this because I had a Russian girlfriend for many years – not from a website but from meeting when I was there. In the early days she had an on-off relationship with another guy, which she was totally up front about.

    One day I called her and invited her to dinner. She said she couldn’t come because she had a row with this guy and he had beaten her up. I told her I didn’t believe her and eventually I persuaded her to meet me. When she turned up, I couldn’t believe what I saw. She had a black eye and marks all over her face. She was a beautiful woman and she looked a mess . I said we should go to the hospital together but she refused.
    A few days later I met her again with some of her friends and we had a big discussion about this. All her friends said that Russian and Ukrainian men could be very dangerous. This is why they can be tricky with men. I saw this at first hand many times. I speak some Russian and I heard many times how men speak to women in both countries and they speak to them like they are dirt.

    I have no doubt that some on the CharmDate website are out to make money, or maybe for revenge, but at least give them a chance. Better still, avoid sites like CharmDate, get on a plane and treat it as a holiday. It is not difficult to meet ordinary women there. They have good hotels, just like any civilised country and the food is generally good. They will be pleased that you have taken the trouble to visit their country and will be happy to show you around.

    Please also understand that despite the fall of communism, there are still a lot of controls and frustrations in their daily lives, ones that we in Western Europe and North America don’t have to deal with. I would suggest that anyone planning to go to either country reads up on the history and the present-day situations in these countries before they travel and talk to the women about their everyday lives – you will be surprised with what you learn!

    Sorry for the long piece, but just remember that there are two sides to every story.

  38. CharmDate is run by a Chinese company, located in China, keep that in mind based off of rules and restrictions you will encounter.
    I’ve been on this site for months. I happened to find it while trying to help a friend surf the net for a quality dating site, who had just went through a bad breakup. A woman’s profile caught my eye, named Polina, so I created a profile to test its legitimacy out and talk with her.

    After creating a profile, you realize no feature or form of communication is free. The site uses Credits that you purchase, on average a credit is anywhere from $4 – $8 each, depending on the package you buy (2 credits = $15.99, 16c = $96, 100c = $399).

    The site has the following communication options:

    EMF Mail (works like email)

      Chat Now (works like FB Instant Messenger)
      CamShare (works like Face Time – 2 way video chat)
      Call Service (works like a Phone Call)
      Gift Service (you can send physical gifts to her, like using a flower shop)

    I mostly used the EMF Mail communication feature, based on best bang for your buck. Here’s the cost for using it: It costs you 1 credit to send a message (think of it as email) to the woman, 1 credit to view what she sent back, and 1 credit to open any additional pic she sends to you to view and 1 credit per pic you send her (1 pic is free to send and receive, beyond that, it’ll cost you 1 credit per additional pic). Most women will usually try sending at least 4 pics to you, of themselves per message.

    So in turn, just one communication to her and from her, can cost you anywhere from 2 credits to 8 credits – break that down into dollars you are looking at $8/16 – $32/64. Now imagine communicating daily with this person and begin to see the costs adding up.

    Chat Now, has an array of different credit costs depending if you are sending emoticons, premium stickers, photos, video, scenes etc – bare minimum just using text chat between you two is .5 credits per 5 minutes.

    CamShare, works similar to the features of Chat and its different array of costs. However, here it’s .6 credits per minute.

    Here comes the real kicker that many may not know about. These features and costs, cost nothing to the women who are on this site “looking” for a good man. Only men have to pay at this site!

    This was verified by the woman I was in communication with. You can now understand why this site is a huge possible scam and con. I had even heard that many of these women get a % of what is spent on them in these communications, so they look at it as a job, no anything real between you two. Hence you see the same women’s profiles up on this site for months/years etc (you mean as beautiful as most of these women are in these pics, they can’t find a nice, good man? – ridiculous).

    Also, where are the testimonials of the successes of the two of them meeting, communicating and got married..?

    It’s a shame that this site labels itself as a legitimate dating site. If that were the case, why aren’t both parties paying to communicate? Shouldn’t there be emotional and financial investment and risk for both, not just the men?

    Many guys are more than likely going to get burned down the road on here, because all a woman has to do is promise this and that, to meet you eventually, while keeping you strung along, as you continue to pay to communicate with them. This would prevent that and more authenticity and legitimacy between both parties.

    The woman I was talking to on here was a perfect example of this. For months I tried getting her to create a social media account, on FB, so we could use Messenger, so we could do all this for free. She kept coming up with excuses, “I’ll look into it”, “I haven’t be able to yet, because works has been crazy”, “I’m worried that your government may collect my information.” “I don’t know how to create a profile.”

    Really? You don’t know how to fill in a few boxes to create a profile? You had to do the same thing here, pretty much the exact same way. – I call BS lol

    I also heard excuses when she wanted to visit the US to meet up. “I’m talking to a friend, to find out more information on how to visit there.” I heard this for over a month too.

    Another issue is, the site tries keeping you here. It blocks (stars out) any social media or email you may try sending to her. Probably because if you could, you both could leave and do all this for free.

    I’ve tried many tactics to try getting my social media info and email to her (cyphers, letter/number substitutions, spelled out the info, even sent a word or two per message for her to eventually combine. Either she isn’t seeing it or she’s not acknowledging it (because she’s probably making money there).

    So if you do end up using CharmDate, keeps these things in mind and realize the red flags I’ve mentioned.

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